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Author:  afexar [ Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:12 pm ]
Post subject:  PAY2Win?!
this game is pay2win or not? and why have so low population?
Author:  costas84 [ Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: PAY2Win?!
afexar wrote:
this game is pay2win or not? and why have so low population?


For your second question: This game was released only some days ago.
Author:  Delergion [ Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: PAY2Win?!
1: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=9361
2: 2013-04-22 http://www.panzar.com/newspage.php?news=3
Author:  white_noise [ Sat Apr 27, 2013 3:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: PAY2Win?!
You probably will have to pay for premium, which increases gold, experience and resources that you get after the fight. This way you can level up your char relatively easy and then keep him fully equipped with runes and amulets. You definitely can pay nothing and still have a lots of fun, but leveling up will take longer and you will not be able to keep your char in top form (amulets and runes), unless you are willing to grind several hours a day for resources.

Another way to stay in form and not care about resources at all is to buy monthly packs of runes and amulets. But it only matters for capped chars really.

So it's not pay2win per se, but one way or another the game forces you to pay. Well, it would be strange if it were totally free, right? But payments are humane and they don't make your char overpowered. You can pay about 10-15 euro a month to become a bit stronger, but you can't pay 100 euro to become even stronger. What I mean here is that advantages you can buy is very limited and in some degree can be achieved even without paying.
Author:  Ztnv [ Sat Apr 27, 2013 4:35 pm ]
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Yes it's pay4win.

Without time gear(runes/amul) y have very poor stats.

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Yeah, but for full set of amulets and runes you have to play more than 24/7, which is impossible ;).
Besides, there is too much difference between players with completly no amulets\runes and players who have full set.
Author:  white_noise [ Sat Apr 27, 2013 5:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: PAY2Win?!
Pay2win means that you can buy your way out of any situation and pretty much guarantee the victory if you ready to throw a LOT of money into game. But here you can buy everything from the store and still suck without proper skill. So no, it's not pay2win. It's more like pay2play. Which is fine in my opinion )
Author:  Grumlok [ Sat Apr 27, 2013 5:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: PAY2Win?!
white_noise wrote:
Pay2win means that you can buy your way out of any situation and pretty much guarantee the victory if you ready to throw a LOT of money into game. But here you can buy everything from the store and still suck without proper skill. So no, it's not pay2win. It's more like pay2play. Which is fine in my opinion )


Wrong. So Wrong.
This game is the DEFINITION of Pay2win, everyone who disagrees is simply blindfolded or Pays himself to win himself.
+ Attack Speed runes, intense HP Runes and whatnot, Pay to get ressources, Pay to get gold and and and, in short you can buy everything in this game for money WHICH IS THE DEFINITION OF P2WIN.

( IF a question follows, of "why you play this game" only because i like orks, and i havent played a game with em for a while :/ )
Author:  Grumlok [ Sat Apr 27, 2013 6:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: PAY2Win?!
afexar wrote:
and why have so low population?


Oh and main reason, i think, in my oppinion is why this game will never be any succesfully is not because its p2win, aslong you can get the stuff as f2p too. Is the plain stupid percentaged Crafting system, 50%, 30% and a WEEK of progress, gone for nothing.
Author:  white_noise [ Sat Apr 27, 2013 6:12 pm ]
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Definition of pay2win is that you can buy your victory if you pay enough. And no amount of money will guarantee you victory here.

But I agree with you about the percentages. Sucess probabilities here sucks. And it's especially annoying when you try to craft some high end stuff. Or runes/amulets for that matter.
Author:  Tittypoco [ Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: PAY2Win?!
This game is P2W there is no doubt about it, played again an Inquisitor that must of been decked out in artifacts cause he just ended up solo killing us all. Even my Freeze was unable to stop him from still killing me.

Fun while it lasted but i wont be praising the game or recommending the game to anyone and rather tell them to steer clear instead.
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