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suggest getting rid of the pay 2 win model we have here... 

What should the Dev's do?
Keep the shop the way it is (everything is fine). 23%  23%  [ 7 ]
Remove the option to buy gear (unless cosmetic). 45%  45%  [ 14 ]
Find a balance between the two. 32%  32%  [ 10 ]
Total votes : 31

suggest getting rid of the pay 2 win model we have here... 
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I understand theres profit to be made and i fully support the developers but everybody that doesnt want to pay get shafted after lvl 6ish where the players that did pay completely wipe you and your team. I love this game and ive played every class to 5-8ish in level but i'm at the point where i dont wanna play because the next match could just be another guy that payed for the win which takes all skill and luck out of the situation and it becomes a battle of who had a larger wallet. Sure he could lose due to his team not being as good but they win 80% of the time if not more. I understand the need of a cash shop but i think this the wrong way of going about it. To keep this game popular please get rid of the option of buying gear unless its purely cosmetic like the dyes and stuff. As it sits the game is unplayable(enjoyable) when you have to fight that guy who dug out his moms credit card. Please save this outstanding game from its certain doom!!!!1

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Fri May 03, 2013 4:03 am
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I agree with you -1
But I doubt they will listen to us ;c


Fri May 03, 2013 7:29 am
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Full set of amulets, 300 crystals, 10€, 1 month.
Which takes all skill and luck out of the situation and it becomes a battle of who had a larger wallet.
Quess that 10€ wont make your wallet larger or smaller.

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Fri May 03, 2013 11:51 am
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I voted to find a balance.

I only voted this because the situation is more complicated then it seems. The game in it's natural state probably wouldn't feel so pay to win because the match making would be better. Whenever a new player asks me if the game is pay to win I support the Dev's fully and explain that it isn't but as of right now you will get shafted by the match making system due to low pop and seasoned player's staying in the lower bracket on purpose.

Our lower bracket's in the EU version need to be protected from seasoned player's. Everyone has the right to play a game the way they want but it should be restricted when it griefs new player's, sets a bad image for your game in the MMO world, and it is in fact killing the population in your game. There is no excuse to play with Lv 1-9 people if your stat's are equal to people in the 10+.. it is shameless farming and these player's are purposely avoiding the challenges the game is suppose to offer in it's natural state. Just look at the "best score's" thread.. c'mon man it is so obvious that the people they're fighting are no match for them so why bother pitting them against those player's. This is getting ridiculous because as the day's go by the queue only get's worse. I feel like I literally know everyone that is in the higher bracket and I added a majority of them to my friends list.. if they're not on then I'm not going to get a game.

There are complex fixes for this situation and easy ones... we just need a band-aid right now. We need something until the game accumulates more player's so the current match maker can work properly.. ignoring the situation and hoping that more people will discover the game and stick with it isn't going to help. Normally, waiting until more player's discover the game is a valid approach but we're lacking advertisement AND we have new player's being griefed and pushed out of the game by seasoned ones.. so this approach is doomed and the game will continue to decline in population. To top it off we have YouTube video reviewer's who have stated that this game is "sort of" Pay2Win in their video's which will further scare away new player's.

A vicious cycle but a reality in the gaming world. There will always be player's who like to play on easy mode.. unfortunately in this game.. easy mode is played by people who've payed for item's and play only to kill lesser equipped player's which scares them away and makes them believe the game is Pay2Win.. to further damage the games reputation they will tell all their friends to avoid this game like the plague and the powerful advertisement called "Word of Mouth" play's against our game.


Fri May 03, 2013 12:36 pm
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I totally agree. All i want is for this game to be successful but when the less geared are vs they overgeared its a put off so the last thing this game needs is the beginners not enjoying the experience and quiting all together. Good news the game is still in its early stages and hopefully things will be changing soon


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Listen your call to the adventure.
Accept the challenge.
Conquer your fear.
And claim the treasure you seek.
And then, do it all over again.

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Sat May 04, 2013 11:29 am
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just got out of a round where 2 clan members just spawn camped all game... love it when ppl tell me the game isnt broken


Sat May 04, 2013 4:57 pm
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i just think the game isn`t popular enough and loved by too many ppl to make it so that only cosmetic stuff are cash and it is still profitable, i mean LoL isn`t like that.
i think that there are a few things that can easly fix that problem and still make it profitable, even more than it is now because ppl will play more and would like to contribute.
1.remove buying levels, its not really hurting anyone, because its not like he gets something i can`t, but its sill preety absurd.
2.add a way to reset skills trough gold, reseting skills is a must in almost every RPG nowdays, giving it only to cash its a realy bad choice.
3.remove chance of crafting to fail, its not enough i have to work ALOT to get all the gold for the recipe, then the mats, if it fails i have to get all the mats agin, while i can pay like realy cheap (like a euro i think) and get all of the current level set.
4.with number 3 being said, lower a bit the required mats for creating gear, it takes a lot of games to collect mats and gold for 1 piece of gear knowing that it might fail, and that there are more upgrades later that would replace this and ill have to work so hard for them too, it realy doesnt feel rewording to play and reduces a lot of the fun.


Sat May 04, 2013 5:10 pm
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should we sell just fashionable gear ( like in Dota 2 ) or skins ( LoL ), Weapon growing effect ( path of exile ), pet ? ( wow ), reset skill fee, rename fee ..... instead of gears ? Pay to win will eventually kill the game in the end like Diablo 3 :D .

just my opinions, I am still downloading the game ...


Sun May 05, 2013 6:02 am
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It's not pay to win. The medallions only offer a tiny edge.
Only medallion that is very powerful is the 33% speed buff.

YOU CAN STILL OWN WITHOUT MEDALLIONS! Just block and be clever. Not pay to win


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