Pure truth, what would he be trolling about? Unless it referred to private connections..


I will only add from myself, that imho the biggest problem for a typical player aren't even the prizes, but the fact that after a few hours of exping your character you stop having fun of half of the next matches. I saw the topic 'matchmaking' on this forum recently, these things used to happe for ever, what fun is there when you have to fight with a firewitch who has more hp than your zerk ? - example showing how bv system can be such an idiot system putting full eq vs naked, good to mention also level cap. Someone mentioned that making your char full eq takes a year. And through this let's say 9-10 months on being max level you have to play with so much better equipped players on a normal public games. I can even say 'okay i don't need to win the tms as I didnt donate to have this eq' but why should i be punished in public games for such a damn long time?
And here it comes to bv calculation which is failed, but also to the small playerbase caused by nothing else but these above, which makes a player 3,3k play with 4,4k, and we have a vicious circle. The players who still play this game and didnt donate anything, and do it for a long time, are just masochists (nothing personal to anyone).
As for prizes, I'll let myself pin up(?) to Bob Mastah's post.

PS. 'Everyone that put 0€ , don't argue and just play.' - is that from your side White, or Russian's one? Isn't it a pure admission that this game is not f2p (play means have fun, and not be a masochist)? I don't come here to argue, I want this game to get better, I want Panzar managers to earn more money, I want to help it all. And not only me. I play LoL (example) and don't pay money for it, and have fun, never thought 'eh if only i could afford to spend money on such things...', and here we come back to Bob Mastah's words about 'whats available and not, to buy in here's shop'. I would pay money for this game if there was any responsible sense of doing this. A few hundreds of zlotys (PLN, currency) just to be able to have fun in every public game, is irresponsible and in farther way actually helps this game dying. I can't say any particular sum of money I would pay because it's just impossible at the moment, when the whole system is broken.

I agree with Xylar 100% ,excellent post.

Xyler, I think you are thinking something else.

its like permium it is 900 crystals = 27€

if you give a list Premium + heavy epic full armor and you write I want to pay 0€ for that, to get it.

That is not anything to argue with. If you want everything for 0€ you need to play.

I put that line there so I don't get a list of every piece in the game and 0€ behind it.

I'd post something serious, but I have spent only few € in Panzar, so eh, I'm kinda not allowed to? But I can say that, in other games, when I buy something, it's something that customizes my look. I prefer to earn all there is with hard work.

Tried that in Panzar, but here buying crystals for pretty stuff is just a waste. I purchased that epic crowny thingy for my Ice Witch, it adds no bonuses, different from ears/hairs/etc. And when I think I could've gotten myself premium or runes or epic armour... And if some things are not worth it when you have available some other, then things ain't right here.

Heck, even roulette stones are purchasable only now.

I'll spare you a .gif this time.

I think i just had a good idea.

Why don't add +20% or +30% chance of creation with premium?
More people will take premium and player's will be able to gear there character's faster.

I think we are going of topic.

I need you to show me hard proof that other games are cheaper than panzar.

I want to know what is an acceptable price for you. (I like shadowindd idea)

I also like Shadowindd's idea and I would add that they should drop the EU prices to the RU prices which are 40% cheaper than here.That would be acceptable to me. Also they could delete the horseshoe invention,this is just a milking tool.Instead of that they should do what Shadowind said and also add a little more money if a team wins or in PVE games to make it easier for players to upgrade armour and weapons.

I will post later with examples of cheaper games. This was a good idea though,White Wolf.

it is not always a question of price (if the price is, of course, moderate !), but also what to do with this money? the studio has to look at how others games are successful and how they have millions of players... luck is too important for player progression (= frustration) , even for those who pay a high price ...

Russian prices are acceptable, but the money must be used differently.

The most clear comparison :

50 crystals on EU serv = 1,28 Euro
50 crystals on RUS serv= 0.86 Euro


1000crystals EU= 25,6 Euro
1000 crystals RUS= 17,2 Euro
Where is justice ?

Panzar is F2P or F2P but to expensive

Correction: F2P but elitist.

there is little incentive to get better in this game. the more you up your character, the worse opponents you get. this only changes until you get full gear

so all undergeared players are just there to feed the system. they function as slaves for the full equiped players to kill over and over again. so you have to work as such a slave for long amounts of time to actually start enjoying the game (to get full geared), which is absurd and contrary to what a game should be.

ofcourse im not even mentioning that you can actually buy everything in just a few clicks on the web lol. a person who might spend a little amount of money on the crucial things in game, immediately gets detracted after seeing the shop, and im not surprised, because there is no real value, if you can instantly get everything without even playing the game

when players see this - they leave. simple truth. doesnt take some superb mental capability to figure it out

i think panzar is just trolling with this so called "opportunity" haha

in respect to White Wolf