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Author:  C.E.R.J.C. [ Wed Aug 21, 2013 1:51 am ]
Post subject:  Pay to win compromise?
Since this game is clearly P2W as with gems you can buy pretty much anything and everything, could there please be a way to earn gems? Such as referring a friend (Only gives you coins ATM), Completing surveys, watching advertisement and maybe a jackpot spin that can be spun once a day and you can get resources, gems and coins from it? I'm only suggesting this as you don't get that many resources per match and people are just able to buy full lvl sets by the time you finished crafting + potions.

C.E.R.J.C.
Author:  Zwergwerfer [ Wed Aug 21, 2013 11:02 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Pay to win compromise?
I think referring a friend should probably give you some gems, a lot of F2P/cash shop games seem to give their currency away for that sort of thing.

I haven't really found the P2W aspect that much of a problem so far. While I've met a few players with a distinct advantage, and been destroyed by teams of them, it isn't that often and when teams are more evenly matched I find myself doing well despite being lower leveled and not as well geared. I suppose that suggests the team balancing is far more important than any "P2W" aspect. That might change once I get in to the later brackets (only level 10 right now) but that's my experience so far.
Author:  C.E.R.J.C. [ Thu Aug 22, 2013 1:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Pay to win compromise?
Zwergwerfer wrote:
I think referring a friend should probably give you some gems, a lot of F2P/cash shop games seem to give their currency away for that sort of thing.

I haven't really found the P2W aspect that much of a problem so far. While I've met a few players with a distinct advantage, and been destroyed by teams of them, it isn't that often and when teams are more evenly matched I find myself doing well despite being lower leveled and not as well geared. I suppose that suggests the team balancing is far more important than any "P2W" aspect. That might change once I get in to the later brackets (only level 10 right now) but that's my experience so far.


I don't know why but every time I play a match everyone, I mean EVERYONE seems to have better stuff than me, especially the enemy team. Like even the Dwarves had so much health and did quite a bit of damage. But most of all the fire sisters did so much damage to me as did the Inquisitor with his acid vomit thing. The acidy vomit thing took away half my hp!!!
Author:  overview [ Thu Aug 22, 2013 1:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Pay to win compromise?
Do you have rune, last stuff and/or amulet?
Author:  C.E.R.J.C. [ Thu Aug 22, 2013 1:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Pay to win compromise?
overview wrote:
Do you have rune, last stuff and/or amulet?


I use water runes (Tank) and I have some updated stuff, but the reason I find it pay to win is that it takes ages to craft all the new items and by the time you have crafted them the new items are available. Amulets are quite costly too. But if you buy gems you can instantly buy the good stuff.
Author:  Ugly mf [ Sat Aug 31, 2013 2:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Pay to win compromise?
Well there is another curency in game like gold. There should be a way to buy things with regular gold. Ofc you will need to have much more gold than gems.
Author:  risu [ Thu Sep 05, 2013 9:22 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Pay to win compromise?
I know my opinion is biased, as I am minion of the evil capitalistic oppressors, but you seem to misunderstand the whole "Pay 2 win " issue.

Real pay to win game, have stuff that is better than anything you can get by just playing and available only in real cash store.

Pay 2 win in Panzar would mean skills unlockable only by crystals, amulets that give more boost than regular ones, better healing potions, weapons and armor that can be only obtained by spending crystals. At present time, only thing that crystals really do, is saving time. Because there is third kind of currency in game. Resources. You use them to get everything you can get for crystals, except the dyes and other customization stuff. And crystals can let you skip past "grind" resources" phase easier, either by buying premium and getting more of them, or skipping the whole process and buying the item in forge. So no its not pay 2 win. Its Pay to look cooler, and Pay to save time. But there is no pay to win system in Panzar, no premium weapons, no premium consumable, no premium skills/character classes many other free 2 play games have. But w need to earn money, so company can afford runing server, can afford tournamet prizes, and afford salaries for their employees.

Saying that, i wish you all best in Panzar, and hope you will to continue to support us, in every way.

Thank You
Author:  C.E.R.J.C. [ Thu Sep 05, 2013 6:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Pay to win compromise?
risu wrote:
I know my opinion is biased, as I am minion of the evil capitalistic oppressors, but you seem to misunderstand the whole "Pay 2 win " issue.

Real pay to win game, have stuff that is better than anything you can get by just playing and available only in real cash store.

Pay 2 win in Panzar would mean skills unlockable only by crystals, amulets that give more boost than regular ones, better healing potions, weapons and armor that can be only obtained by spending crystals. At present time, only thing that crystals really do, is saving time. Because there is third kind of currency in game. Resources. You use them to get everything you can get for crystals, except the dyes and other customization stuff. And crystals can let you skip past "grind" resources" phase easier, either by buying premium and getting more of them, or skipping the whole process and buying the item in forge. So no its not pay 2 win. Its Pay to look cooler, and Pay to save time. But there is no pay to win system in Panzar, no premium weapons, no premium consumable, no premium skills/character classes many other free 2 play games have. But w need to earn money, so company can afford runing server, can afford tournamet prizes, and afford salaries for their employees.

Saying that, i wish you all best in Panzar, and hope you will to continue to support us, in every way.

Thank You

There is a pay to win system as it takes much longer for you to craft your items than other people who can just buy them with gems, you run out of potions very quickly and have to rely on limited resources to make them whereas if you use gems you can buy 100 for 10 gems. You can use gems to level up more quickly, you can use gems to receive more resources. Compare a lvl 14 character (f2p) to a lvl 14 character (p2W). I guarantee you that the p2W character will have bought everything he needs for his lvl whereas the f2p character will have not. The biggest problem with currency is that YOU CAN'T BUY ANYTHING WITH GOLD APART FROM UPGRADES
Author:  BADZULU [ Fri Sep 06, 2013 12:53 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Pay to win compromise?
C.E.R.J.C. wrote:
The biggest problem with currency is that YOU CAN'T BUY ANYTHING WITH GOLD APART FROM UPGRADES

I'm actually impressed that some people are whining about the fact that gold are only used to upgrade gear. At the start of Panzar EU you needed GOLD + RESSOURCES to craft your items which meant that if you picked only xp, you had 0 chance of crafting your gear so you had to stop grinding levels to farm gold. And to me as Risu said, a real pay 2 win system is when you HAVE to pay to get the top gear/consumables (like in most Asian F2p for example) and Panzar is far from it. Since you can farm everything. If you don't want to invest neither your time or your money in your games, you'll get that feeling on most of f2p games.
Author:  Alligator Blood [ Fri Sep 06, 2013 3:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Pay to win compromise?
you low lvl char owners so mad
love it
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