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Author:  skhar [ Tue Jan 21, 2014 2:45 am ]
Post subject:  Don't show playernames of dead people
I have the two options enabled to see both the names of my teammates and my enemies to quickly see how many of them are still fighting when I rush to the frontier after respawning.
It's very confusing to see for example 5 friendly white names from far away through walls and stairs and then realize that they are already dead when I come around the corner running into the open weapons of 5 enemies. 1 second later I join my dead mates lying dead on the ground with my name still showing ...

Another example is my normal teamplay with an ice witch. She dies somewhere near me without me noticing and an enemy ice witch gets to her place and starts freezing. In this hectic situation I only see the name of my dead friendly ice witch somewhere near the enemy ice witch, combining it to "yep, thats my mate, no need to run from or react to the freeze but I can go even nearer to pull my attackers inside the radius" and suddenly I'm the frozen one ...


Please make the names of dead teammates disappear immediately to reduce confusion.
Author:  Xylar [ Tue Jan 21, 2014 8:57 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Don't show playernames of dead people
Hm I don't think it's such a problem. Enemy has always banner on their back, that's how you should recognise them. And if your ally is dead... I think the name disappears quite immediately. Not sure of this though. It's not a problem for me.
Author:  White Wolf [ Tue Jan 21, 2014 9:40 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Don't show playernames of dead people
Name Dissapaers 5 sec after DEAD.

Character Dissapears after respawn.

Weapons Dissappear after 3 min.
Author:  skhar [ Tue Jan 21, 2014 5:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Don't show playernames of dead people
Xylar wrote:
Hm I don't think it's such a problem. Enemy has always banner on their back, that's how you should recognise them. And if your ally is dead... I think the name disappears quite immediately. Not sure of this though. It's not a problem for me.

I know about the banner on the back. But no one can see banners through walls, just the names.
As a Paladin I see friendly and enemy names right next to each other and I think "Need to hurry! Teammates need heal!". Sometimes on open view I see the enemy banners on their backs and somewhere in between these enemies are still some of my teammates names which lets me think that they are still alive.

In this 5 seconds until the names disappear (thx for this specific time information, already helps a little to know that) I bring myself too close to the enemies only to see the friendly names suddenly disappear, since they are already dead for some time and the enemy can kill me without any problem. This makes my team lack their paladin heal support in the next attack wave and probably I try to rush in after my solo respawn to help them because I again think that they are still alive since their names are still shown .... vicious circle anyone?

It's hard to see if there are some players without banners still running around in between all this huge and massive orcs with banners. Imagine a "wall" of enemies with banners. Now imagine that there are other players behind this "wall". You cannot tell if they got banners on their backs or not, since the banners from the "wall" of enemies also block the view at the maybe-or-maybe-not-existing banners on the players behind the wall. You only see friendly names somewhere in there.
Author:  skhar [ Sun Feb 02, 2014 4:05 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Don't show playernames of dead people
Just want to bump this topic back up, because it's still very annoying and thus very important for me.
I talked with other people and other classes and they agree with me. It's confusing to see the names of dead teammates and enemies.

Additionally to that I had another "nice" encounter which is related to this name-topic:
An explosion caused a lot of dust to block the view. I saw friends and enemies cause of their shown names somewhere far away from me so I started running to them. Suddenly I was bashed to the ground. With the new angle of view I saw an nameless enemy zerk killing me.
After he killed me and went off suddenly his name appeared. wtf?
I quite often see enemies running right next to me without a name but it did not bother me until that one encounter which is annoying enough to complain about.
Author:  White Wolf [ Sun Feb 02, 2014 10:05 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Don't show playernames of dead people
Enemy name only appear after first damage has been done to the character by you or another team member.

I don't even know why you use those names so much you even depend on it.

In the beginning I used the names to start to know the players but now I only turn them on if I'm dead and back off to play.

You should not be able to see the names thought walls in my opinion that is a bug. Even in the mist you should not see the names the mist is there to make it more difficult now a gunner just has to shot in the mist and follow the names, sorry but that is a bug in my opinion.

You can ask as much as you want but I don't think they will change the names to make it more to your advantage.
Author:  skhar [ Sun Feb 02, 2014 4:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Don't show playernames of dead people
I don't ask for that to have an advantage. I ask for that because it's annoying to me and other people I've talked to.

For the name not always being shown:
The game only told me "Check this box and you see your enemies' names". The game or no one else never told me "You see only names of enemies who already took damage". So I considered this a bug. Thanks for this clarification.


For the names disappear after 5 seconds:
Look at nosforia in the upper left corner
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/960 ... ap0002.jpg
14 secods later still there
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/960 ... ap0004.jpg
Special case because I'm dead? I had not yet played enough games today to look for dead mates/enemies on the ground while I was running around. I will continue to do so and repost here later.

Look at the following pictures and tell me who of the players are dead and who is alive please:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/960 ... ap0001.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/960 ... ap0005.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/960 ... ap0006.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/960 ... ap0007.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/960 ... ap0008.jpg
I am a supporting class, I am a paladin. When I see white names and red names close to each other I assume that my teammates are about to take damage. I rush there to heal them. If I knew that my mates are already dead there would be no reason for me to run there all alone and be killed.
Author:  White Wolf [ Sun Feb 02, 2014 4:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Don't show playernames of dead people
skhar wrote:
I don't ask for that to have an advantage. I ask for that because it's annoying to me and other people I've talked to.


Then turn the names off.

skhar wrote:
For the name not always being shown:
The game only told me "Check this box and you see your enemies' names". The game or no one else never told me "You see only names of enemies who already took damage". So I considered this a bug. Thanks for this clarification.


Then turn the names off if it is a bug.

skhar wrote:
For the names disappear after 5 seconds:
Look at nosforia in the upper left corner
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/960 ... ap0002.jpg
14 secods later still there
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/960 ... ap0004.jpg
Special case because I'm dead? I had not yet played enough games today to look for dead mates/enemies on the ground while I was running around. I will continue to do so and repost here later.


I was wrong the names stay until the dead person respons then the names dissapear in 5 sec.

skhar wrote:
Look at the following pictures and tell me who of the players are dead and who is alive please:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/960 ... ap0001.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/960 ... ap0005.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/960 ... ap0006.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/960 ... ap0007.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/960 ... ap0008.jpg
I am a supporting class, I am a paladin. When I see white names and red names close to each other I assume that my teammates are about to take damage. I rush there to heal them. If I knew that my mates are already dead there would be no reason for me to run there all alone and be killed.


Thanks for the screenshot but you should not see the names of enemy or freind trough walls.
Author:  skhar [ Sun Feb 02, 2014 6:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Don't show playernames of dead people
Turn it off if it is a bug? Seriously? I don't want to get personal so I will just answer this:
If I find a bug I report it to the devs. In this case it obviously was no bug but a lack of information. The game does not explain to the player that he can only see enemy names who took damage.


For the names through walls case it seems to be a bug.
We started with different points of view. To your knowledge no one should be able to see names through walls. I DO see names through walls. Bug reported.

Whats the point of having the names of dead people shown until they respawn? What is the benefit of it? The devs offer the possibility to show friend and enemy names for maybe better overview or whatever and then destroy this better overview by showing names of dead people. Why not make it 100% customizable and allow the player to choose if he wants to see names all the time, never or only of living but not dead people? Feedback presented, suggestion submitted.
Author:  White Wolf [ Sun Feb 02, 2014 7:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Don't show playernames of dead people
skhar wrote:
Turn it off if it is a bug? Seriously?


Agreed my answer was to short and could be taken the wrong way, it was not my intention.

I have no use for the names other than to see how just killed me or see how is fighting around me when I'm dead.

That is why I play without the name.

I'm suggesting, "not pushing" you to try to play without the names displayed in the games. If you try you'll have at leased 2 things.
1) you wouldn't see the names of dead people
2) you will see the enemy banner better

skhar wrote:
In this case it obviously was no bug but a lack of information.


Agreed it is a lack of information. Want a change in text of the game go to this post and add it. Click Here

skhar wrote:
Whats the point of having the names of dead people shown until they respawn? What is the benefit of it?


There are no benefits. The only thing I can think of is that you know that this dead player has respawned and is coming to help you.

Customization would be great but I don't think I would use it.
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