Yeah, man. You are truly one of Panzar Studio workers: raised up discussion, got enough examples, and then siad "well, what we are doing is the right way despite anything you think or say". Good job!
P.S. for EU community: it's the way they are talking to us on Ru server.

Best example, i play now my Tank for a while, he has full epic armor .
I play now since 1-2 Mounths with him .
I was buying the epic weapon and also the epic armor, so i spend nearly 900 Crystal for him. (long time ago)
I have now on my Weapon 160 wins, i think i loose the same amount of games, so 320 Games with Premium. I got in this Time 1 Big Mastery Rune, and also 1 Big Healthrune, 9 little Runes.
If i que with my tank, i got ALWAY's guys with 4k+ BV .

I need for 2 Runes 50 Day's -> while this time i play vs guys with full Runes!
Brain on guys, do you think new player stay by this game with this system?xD Panzar studio are you srsly?

Whitewolf in a other topic, you post that you need a half year to have fullstuff with a char without Premium !
You play while this Time, 10 Hours per day, you write this! Who can play 10 Hours per day , and this only with 1 Charakter, while you que all time vs higher chars?

Chefe has right, this Luckyhorse is a joke!! ~7750 is max Mastery, if you want to reach this, you need for every Item 400 Crystal!! 2 Hourse per piece!!

If you want to have a Really fullstuff Char, like Mystery guys or some Order guy's , you must spend.
3000 crystal - Rune
300 (per mounth) Amulett -> or you go to Premium (same price) to craft the Amuletts for your self, but you need 30 Playhour in week, to get 6 amuletts.
Full Epic Armor + Weapon 900-1000 crystall
You have 11 Item's on your charakter , all this Items need Lucky Horses!
350 (lucky horse with gold) * 2 for each item!

350*2*11+3000+300+1000 = 12000 Crystal!!
In Europa you 1 Crystal 0,03 cent.
12000*0,03 = 360 EURO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is the Price for 1 Charakter with fullstuff!!
You can buy a Xboxone or a Playstastion 4 for this price xD

On lvl 20 it was also expensive,and the player flame cause of p2w.
But on lvl 20-> you need for full epic armor 600 Crystal, no permanent runes aviable, if you was playing with premium you can farm the Runes for you, also Amuletts.
So you need on LvL 20 900 crystal, and some gold to come on the Same stuff like other guys.
The old Upgrade system was much better.
You need only on gunner , some Mastery upgrades, 5-6 maybe 7 and you was really good!

I think, panzar Studio read his Forum, so they know that the communty dont want to pay such a lot of real money for a Game.
So my question to Panzarstudio,
You know, that you cant Increase your playerbase with p2w System.
But, you increase all prices last 2 Year's, and now this game is more then expensive!
Scroll up, 360 Euro for a Full Char.

Whitewolf, you write in a other Topic, a half year playtime to get epic's is okay for you, and its also the Plan from Panzar to do this!
Sry for my offense, but are you stupid?
In this half year, you play vs overstuff guys, and ya wow after a half year you have epic's with 0 upgrades.
And you need also 6 Amuletts per week, you cant farm this without Premium.

How long must play a new player with Premium to get Fullstuff and also full Runes and good upgrades? Not red, "only" orange?
1 Year? or maybe longer? or better, tell us how much Games he need's.
I mean i need 320 games with premium for 2 big runes, i was crafting 3, but 1 fail 2 sucess. If im unlucky, i can play 320 games and got 0 Big runes, cause of 40% craftingchance ;(

If you really mean, Panzar got more player with this system, you dont know anythink about Free to play Games!
Maybe Panzar is your first/last free to play game, and you dont know other Games who running without P2W.

And guys, you think it will be better, if the Asian server is comming? and also the Korea?
Some region's of asia has maybe a good connection to russian server, but still its weird to play from Austria - to russia! cause of 120 Ping.
USA Player has now a ping from over 200, i saw it alot of time, if i play vs a Ami! Its unplayable, for public okay. But Tournament no way!
korea will have a Ping from 250-300 i think! Have fun to play with that xD

anybody know Gunz 1? First it was on Ijji.com also a little bit Pay2win, but ya 20-40 Euro and you was full,but still it is p2w.
So some guy's Crack the Gunz1 Client or so, and make Privat Server's, this Privat Server's got more Player then the Orginal on Ijji.com
I hope really, some guy's do this for Panzar also, this game is really great.
In the same time, its the most expensive Game in the world!! with 100 Player on our server, and you cant play till 2 PM!

I write some Tipps in other Topic's .
Whitewolf , you ask also all the time the community , why is this game p2w?
Its a joke from you sorry for ofense, but i write all 4 Mounths a really long topic about the situation , and why panzar has so less people,
I know also, you just write to us, and you want to be nice to everyone.
But you cant change this finanz police.

Maybe i find the Topic from queen bee . But she writes, Mod's and Admin's in this forum cant change finanz Police! One Group make the game, Second group make the Prices!
While i was reading this, i must laugh really!!
Panzar has only Problem's with Finanz, we dont need new maps or anythink else.
New map is comming -> price increase,
i can understand this, because some guys must create the map and so on. With 100 Player on europa , you cant finanz this, so you must increase the Prices.
Also you get sure, that the old player must pay again, because no new player comming.

Thats the reason why we only can have 999 Ressources, we are not DUMB Panzar studio

Look back-> half year ago or 1 year ago.
Some guy's was also flaming cause of P2w. Panzar studio reed this.(mod's answer on the topic's so i mean the info goes to panzar studio)

So we (community) write to panzar studio " Panzar studio your game is to expansive, you have a good game but pls stop the p2w System"
Panzar Studio read this, and some weeks later new Patch is comming.
Now the clue, they INCREASE EVERY PATCH SOMETHING and make them more P2w.

Community write = pls no p2w
Panzar studio = Increase prices and give a pony of community!

Sorry but i cant find the old topic's, most of them are deleted by Mod's, LoL

Write to me if im false, but im pretty sure im right.

Auni,

I'm not someone that leave everything like it is because someone tells me it ok when its not.

Why you think I keep asking for help but like you see in the post everyone knows what is wrong but few actually answer with the help I need. Only thing I try to do her is get same price for EU as for RU and yes that a very small step.

I got the OK to give panzar an analysis of the prices what I'm trying to do.

Only correction I can make for sure to your post

6 months at 10 hour a week. If I wrote days then it was a mistake.

ya you write 10 hours per day, i dont trust you with 10 hours per week sorry.
With 10 hours per week, and 40% crafting chance on epic, you need alot of luck to get finish in a half year.

Ya thats the Problem, Panzar is also to EXPENSIVE on Russian server .
You cant Create a PvP game with such a lot of Upgrades and Boosts via Realmoney!!!!!
its not Important if we pay for 1 Crystal 0,01 - 0,03 cent.
If you MUST PAY to play normaly, the game will NEVER got a Big playerbase!

So ya, you can write to Panzarstudio, and try to get the same prices like Russian! But you will not increase the Playerbase with this, because its still Pay2Win!!!!

Add more Custom's and try to get money over this, like 100 other f2P game's.

Remove Lucky horse!
Remove buying gold for Crystal!
Remove buying big runes for crystal!
Remove buying Amuletts for crystal! Maybe new Amulet system, like Permanent rune! But not buyable, only craftable!!
Change the Upgradesystem to the Old system , like 2 year ago!!!
Give everyone in Publicgame the same Stats if not enough player online with the same LVL!!!
Add Alot of Custom Item's!!! New Armor's and so on, not more Stats, only new style's!!!
Add Ping/Fps status on Panzar client pls!!!
Add Deathmassege - I want to know what kill me, if i Block or not block. Very important for me, because i have a high ping (russian server, and im from austria) and i got sometime the Full dmg from Inqui while i BLOCK. (Lagshot) i want a deathmassege like this.

"Blablabla (Inquisitor) Kill you with a Rightclick in front (no block) with 7500 DMG"
"BliBLABLUB (Berserker) assist Blablabla and do 7500 Dmg , 2 Leftklick 1 Rightclick (block)"

The problem is, Panzar cant change to this system i think, because many guys spend tons of Euro into this game, if they Change now the system to a Fair pvp system without p2w, this guys spend alot of money for Nothing. BUt i dont care about this, im also a Person who spend alot of money, and tons of crystal from tournament, but i offer this all, for afair system!

Stop Adding new Map's this cost much money for Panzar, we dont need new maps, we need to stop p2w, and increase playerbase first extremly, after this we can spend Money again into Map's!
Fokus on Bugfix - Matchmaking.

You see the situation by tournaments.
I think we was a good Clan, but some guy's stop playing Panzar.
Now we cant create a Real team, cause there are no PLAYER on Europa server.Because guys need the class, Good upgrades , fullrunes/amuletts. But player who has this, have a team!
New PLayer need a Year or so, to can beat maybe armada or exclusive, cause of Upgrades and so on!
or new Player spend tons of Euro, to get a full char . I write it in my last post, he must "only" pay 360 Euro !! very cheap! If panzar change the prices like russian server.
He must pay 200-230 Euro! Still to expensiv!!!

So tell me pls, how you want to create nice Tournaments on Europa, and also increasing playerbase!
do you think 0,02 euro per crystal will fix this Problem?
I dont think so!

Some good Europa player going to Russian server, cause of tournaments. Its still not funny on Europa tournament, russian tournament is a better challange .
If i can change my account to russian server, i will do it i think. But i dont want to start new.

You mean full eq including big runes? Then it is a devs' lie. Very big lie.

All things this game needs to improve, increase and conquer the world, have been said in this topic. Gj guys. We can only be sorry that nothing will change.

From me eot.

NoNo xylar, he means only Equip not runes.
For RUnes without Premium i think you need also a half year or longer.
if you are unlucky by crafting, you need much more time!

The clue is, he know that he play while this time vs fullstuffed guys. Panzar know that also, but they want to let us farm this long time!
Do you think its a good choice from panzar? i dont think so ^^

Edit: Its sad, that player know why the game doesnt work well, Player write this since 1,5 years here in the forum!
But nobody cares about this.

these numbers are propaganda.

with VIP need 3 month to get heavy set. then another 3 month for epic.
without VIP considering 2x less resurs that means 1 year, double than 6 months.

so for a full char with runes and everything based on 10 hours per week play you need:
2 years no VIP / 1 year with VIP / 0 years with 200 euro

these estimates are based on me playing the equivalent of 6-8 months of 10 hours per week from start with this system

if you fail at 40% craft multiple times obviously it will take even more time. certainly not 6 months as panzar says


EDIT: now correct numbers, i have mad a mistake in counting before !

And don't Forget that u want also Play this 1-2 years with amulets so u Need the 20h/weak more only for the amulets. So with gameplay of 30h/weak u Need 1 year with premium and 2 year without it

It's a waste of time guys.

But good job Auni, i don't have patience for that. I think you are right.
But i don't think Panzar people are reading this forum.

Maybe somebody come to see when a player annonce a bug, but if ww report our conversation, Panzar don't read and don't care about that.

I'm agree, it's a good game, but it's maybe too late for me. Like you said, you are writing in the forum since a long time that it isn't a good strategy, and nobody does something.

Stop giving money to Panzar, that's the only thing they are looking for. Done for me.


ps : my little experience : i up my icewitch since the last patch, i have make 3 big runes. Maybe 10fails i don't really know.
I play like 10h a week, and it's very hard to make all the amulets, you dont need fail!

I haven't spend any cent of this game and I still play not bad,even without amus.
My advise as 2 year old player is don't give your money for something you can take free.
But yours money yours choise....