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Panzar is F2P or F2P but to expensive 
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Post Re: Panzar is F2P or F2P but to expensive
White Wolf wrote:
I have seen one really good example about why its to expensive for you, If a polish player wants to buy full char + stuff he would pay more then 1/2 his salary that is expensive. BUT even if the price of crystals would be equal to RU is would still be 1/3 of that salary.


A average Canadian earn a average of 300-350$ (dollars) a week.
And like I have said earlier, a full character with epic gear, big rune, amulet and no upgrade, cost 167$, half of the weekly salary....
167$ = 124 euro.

900 crystals = 37$(cad)
1 crystal = 0.0422$ (cad)

P.S. People that are on the government help (No Job) get has little as 630$ a month.

And i have difficulty believing that in 6 months, 12h a week, with premium, whe can make a character lv30 with full stuff epic and big rune.... maybe with 0 fail...but that is not the case.
Lots of resources are needed for epic lv20, and you may fail multiple time just for 1 piece. It may take a lot more then 6 month...


Sat Apr 11, 2015 9:26 am
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Post Re: Panzar is F2P or F2P but to expensive
White Wolfs told without VIP full gear.
1. Don't think that u realy want play 5 months vs full geard players without eq
2. only Full gear help u not much (u need runes and amulets)
3. u need all resurces what u farm in this 10-12h/weak for ur amulets (if u have luck i think u will get 2)
4. I mean with VIP and play 3-4h/day I can't craft my 6 amulets in the weak
5. U want other prices from games (not possible) because on the most popular games u can buy only Skins and not Full gear like on Panzar and if u can buy gear it's much cheaper like i told on my first post.
For example "Gear UP" it's free to play but you play also most games vs people with full stuff but there it's no problem you can buy for 13.99€ all stuff, it's same like you buy one time the game for 13.99€ .
I mean there i can buy all what u can for 13.99€
in panzar it's 220€*8 and that without the monay what u will need to color ur char and for buying amulets (because impossible to farm 6 amulets in a weak with premium if u play 2-3h/day).
But ok u don't need to have all 8 chars but at least 1 and that means 220€. on "Gear UP" it's 13.99€ that are 200€ less and there i need never to pay again.

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Post Re: Panzar is F2P or F2P but to expensive
Oh cmon, still these p2w and f2p arguing going on.
Go play your "Gear up" then and dont waste your time trashing here.
People, you must understand, that you can get everything for free, except colours,beards and hairstyles, which doesnt help you in combat at all.
I have a lot experience from panzar. Have been playing since ru beta test.
All i can say is that people who say that this game is P2W, is people with no money, no skill, no confidence. And thats the truth.
P2W is excuse for NOOB ONLY.
Earlier i was paying myself, just to make my game a little easier. It was my choice. Still, however in the time when i played in payed, i was always defending hard that this game is F2P. It is your choice do you pay or not.
Dont find excuses if you get owned and lose game. Dont blame the game, money or others. It is YOUR CHOICE, YOUR GAME, YOUR FREEDOM.
Only you can help and fix problems that disturb you, if you dont know how, ask your mama for little help.
Like i sayd, i was paying before, but defending always that this game is FREE2PLAY, but people didnt took me serious cuz i was paying, and they were like ok, it is easy for you to say that it is P2W.
Well, like i sayd, it was MY CHOICE to play and PAY.
Things are different know. The game started to feel too boring for me, so i had to do something to get the maximum out of the game, because panzar is AWESOME.
So, now i play for FREE, yes, FREE.
I have leveled up from lvl 1-30 without paying any crystals, and man, i have had so much fun.
I have not just leveled up normal, i did it even more hardcore. I leveled all my way up in lvl1 armor and weapon ( recruits armor ) and i was not crying and trashing forums, in game chats, that omg again p2win, oh no, everyone in epic and im almos naked...
No, i were, was and will be owning.
Right now, i have still recruits armor (upgrade around 25 all together) and last lvl weapon. Next weapon will be epic.
And yeah, guess what ? What effective i have ? 2600+. Quite awesome with only equipment i have ! :)
Yeah, and i will continue to PLAY for FREE, and crush some souls.
I will not even take light armor, before i will have 500wins with epic weapon. Yea, that hardcore i will go !
So you got my point ? Now STFU about P2W, because it is not. It is YOUR CHOICE, what and how you play.
YOUR CHOICE IS FREE :!:

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Post Re: Panzar is F2P or F2P but to expensive
I have one question for the developer's.

Why the population of euro server have become so low?

I have start to play panzar in November 2013 and there where connection peak of over 1600 player's, now max 200 player's connection peak...


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Post Re: Panzar is F2P or F2P but to expensive
Shadowindd wrote:
I have one question for the developer's.

Why the population of euro server have become so low?

I have start to play panzar in November 2013 and there where connection peak of over 1600 player's, now max 200 player's connection peak...


Read the answer in my post above. This is bcs incrorrect company politics. not just prices. It is global.
But Panzar Studio's already said: they will never go back in time. So, you will never see that happy 1600 players again.
Sorry, Wolfie, but your efftorts will not change anything globally. But it's not your fault.
May be Studio will deside to change something, but that will be a very small part, like a bone for dog.

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Tue Apr 14, 2015 4:37 pm
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If panzar studio will change prices on EU for prices like on rus server it will help. Why EU must pay so much for everything, not everybody are businessmen from Luxemburg.

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FireMeister wrote:
If panzar studio will change prices on EU for prices like on rus server it will help. Why EU must pay so much for everything, not everybody are businessmen from Luxemburg


You are totaly wrong. Not just you, everyone expect Allstar are wrong.

I think, most of you guys are little schoolboys which dont earn real money.
The prizes are okay and NO, i'm not rich.

Im to tired to write my story about this.
I could write the biggest topic about this, but why I should? Panzar Studio do not listen to us. Not now even not a year ago, NEVER!
I will write my story when i see an answer from Panzar Studio, that they are right now listen to us.


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Post Re: Panzar is F2P or F2P but to expensive
senjorpomidor wrote:
Shadowindd wrote:
I have one question for the developer's.

Why the population of euro server have become so low?

I have start to play panzar in November 2013 and there where connection peak of over 1600 player's, now max 200 player's connection peak...


Read the answer in my post above. This is bcs incrorrect company politics. not just prices. It is global.
But Panzar Studio's already said: they will never go back in time. So, you will never see that happy 1600 players again.
Sorry, Wolfie, but your efftorts will not change anything globally. But it's not your fault.
May be Studio will deside to change something, but that will be a very small part, like a bone for dog.


I know why cold, I just want to ear what panzar have to say.
To them, why the euro server have gone down?

For my part, one year ago, panzar have change the forge, double the ressource needed for amulet and epic gear, reset rune ( very hard to get now), more then double the price of upgrade, reput fail in the craft system, etc...


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Post Re: Panzar is F2P or F2P but to expensive
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Oh cmon, still these p2w and f2p arguing going on.
Go play your "Gear up" then and dont waste your time trashing here.
People, you must understand, that you can get everything for free, except colours,beards and hairstyles, which doesnt help you in combat at all.
I have a lot experience from panzar. Have been playing since ru beta test.
All i can say is that people who say that this game is P2W, is people with no money, no skill, no confidence. And thats the truth.
P2W is excuse for NOOB ONLY.
Earlier i was paying myself, just to make my game a little easier. It was my choice. Still, however in the time when i played in payed, i was always defending hard that this game is F2P. It is your choice do you pay or not.
Dont find excuses if you get owned and lose game. Dont blame the game, money or others. It is YOUR CHOICE, YOUR GAME, YOUR FREEDOM.
Only you can help and fix problems that disturb you, if you dont know how, ask your mama for little help.
Like i sayd, i was paying before, but defending always that this game is FREE2PLAY, but people didnt took me serious cuz i was paying, and they were like ok, it is easy for you to say that it is P2W.
Well, like i sayd, it was MY CHOICE to play and PAY.
Things are different know. The game started to feel too boring for me, so i had to do something to get the maximum out of the game, because panzar is AWESOME.
So, now i play for FREE, yes, FREE.
I have leveled up from lvl 1-30 without paying any crystals, and man, i have had so much fun.
I have not just leveled up normal, i did it even more hardcore. I leveled all my way up in lvl1 armor and weapon ( recruits armor ) and i was not crying and trashing forums, in game chats, that omg again p2win, oh no, everyone in epic and im almos naked...
No, i were, was and will be owning.
Right now, i have still recruits armor (upgrade around 25 all together) and last lvl weapon. Next weapon will be epic.
And yeah, guess what ? What effective i have ? 2600+. Quite awesome with only equipment i have ! :)
Yeah, and i will continue to PLAY for FREE, and crush some souls.
I will not even take light armor, before i will have 500wins with epic weapon. Yea, that hardcore i will go !
So you got my point ? Now STFU about P2W, because it is not. It is YOUR CHOICE, what and how you play.
YOUR CHOICE IS FREE :!:


It is both f2p and p2w. The question is who would pay to be 'the more equal one' with all others of this type, and who wouldn't and wants to change how the things are. If you could buy only those beards, hairstyles, every single person would be fine and happy, unless they are or were a kid of some rich daddy who want to have all 'now and here' whatever the prize would be.
I also have some reasonable experience from Panzar. All I can say is that a person who says 'P2W is excuse for NOOB ONLY' doesn't have a least clue what they're talking about, because they have never played naked vs full eq players. They usually play a possibly-maximum-built inquisitor with all runes etc, feeding themselves with others' losses only, as it became so boring after some time. And that's real lack of confidence you mentioned. Damn, I really regret such people. I don't want to know what you have in your mind to tell such words. Seriously. Damn, there is even no word to say to you about any of 'how it is to play no pay', because you are so damn lacked of any idea about the issue.

and that touching story of yours is so ... lol. :) i am so damn sure you were humiliated and sweared and cried to all sants while playing naked if that's even at least a half-true story... Another one why i don't have a clue what's in your mind that you still talking like this. Btw, come on, yet calling here the bv? I once in the past met a guy who left every game he was about to win, just to make his bv lowest possible. And there are X times more guys who artificially enlarge their eff. Bv is a joke.

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