about sacred flames if you are a good heal you can know that the dispell get down the damages to 0
(a lot of time i use this skill and thanks to heal nobody die)

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Yeah if you ram when all your teammates are dead, then you wasted your CPs and you will be dead as soon as they stand up. But if you ram when your team is waiting for an opportunity to attack, you kill all enemies and the difference between ram and skyfire is that sky gives no CP to other teammates (only 5cp per kill to fire). but ram gives more "Rage" to your team's zerk (->he will be faster -> more chance to win the battle) and CP to your frost and all other classes who attack the enemies on the ground.

hey Xylar
actually i played all characters in this game , i know what is and what is not .

still imagining a perfect team , mate there is NO such thing , where u ram and the zerk jumps while the ice is freezing and all goes like super , you are playing an un balanced game with deferent players all the time , meaning that some classes can dominate in game with some of there skills .

yes what they have you have i agree (players i mean) but still EFF , gear , runs ETC plays a big role in strength deference between teams , and here comes the OP classes and OP skills that makes all the deference .

As a tank to get cp for ram you HAVE HAVE to be in winning position almost always , most of ur CP go on shield strike and other counter skills , so in a loosing position ram changes nothing , if it,s not interrupted too , so as some say you ram and the zerk kills every one (thu he can hammer one time ) and the ice mage freez every one ( that if there is no teslas or traps or any other sapper gunner toys ) is imagination , it can happen in every 100 gam that ram wwould change the game influence , while 2 vertex enough to put every one down , evry thing u build can go away in 10 seconds , do not forget every one dead .

damage reflection , i agree on noob zerks it works but try doing that to 27000 hp , 6k M 3100 EFF zerk , and see what happens , shield strike the only good why for a tank to counter vertex that is if he has enough cp and hes attacking you with it , can happen in other situations but rare .

OP skills are massive doing damage skills or seriously leading to that skills like instant , not counter damage skills .

2, 3 out of 10 is weak ??? what lvls do u play with , what EFF? lol do u think zerks do not know that u can through them down and break there vertex ????
they stay away most of the time killing other players and u have to run after him with a 50% chance that u can shield him .

tank getting CP most important and doesn't need an occasion mate , when playing a team with 2 ice , u will know what it means to be out of cp .

"bla bla, junk example" lol what are u 10 years old ??? lol , yes mate , i didn't give example that didn't happen , sticking to point almost always leads to wining , running after other team mostly kids playing and it happens losing when my team was leading 426 to 58 or so , 2 ice mages ran to the other team , got killed , the other team took us all out frozen ofc , and they stuck to the point and won .

i answered this 2 times already , seems like ur country is the only 1 that doesn't have DC,s , every body else complaining . maybe u play onther game or something .

i pay $ for this game and a lot do , not because i have 2 ofc but because its made to have no other option than that , i forged 4 items on 70% succeed rate and 1 only succeeded , so don't talk about what they should and should not , as long as i am paying money they must provide good gaming conditions .

again i have a ping of 20 , 20 20 , do u know how good is that , still i get so much lags on week ends and tournaments , why? cuz there is more players on line , so ping has nothing to do with it at that time .

to get ur character to its tops , you know what leave every thing and lets see upgrading , how much $ u need to make a full not red , orange upgrades ????
ask how many people have it on orange or red . see how much cash been payed . unless panzar is a charitable organization .

i think u either like to argue , work for panzar , or just living a dream . i dont know
cheers mate

a perfect team? Dude, you don't need a perfect team to make your ally bers finish the laying or frozen people. It now seriously brings to me the word 'bullshit'.. You can't play tank if you say such things.

Yeah, eff of an icewitch really makes difference if Wolfss tank can block her insta or not x)

I yesterday had a game with russian tank named EVANDOS He was good. And you know what? On the last point we were fighting for 10 minutes, really hard battle, we were hardly raped on that point. And although enemy had 1 gunner and 2 sisters, i didn't complain about lack of the magical shield, AND i saw at least 5 rams from him while these 10 minutes. So it's possible. And ram can change a lot, it can for example let you easily kill the most 'dangerous' enemies. If you don't know the power of battering ram, then you are not a tank.
Yeah, you tell me i imagine a perfect team, and now you come up with yet more and more ideas oh if there is million enemies how can zerker kill em all! oh if there are teslas how can frost freeze! oh if...!

Dude i just had a game where my vortex could kill two teslas out of 6 because i was just killed by these teslas before i could approach to the next ones. Don't tell me vortex is so op. Vortex of war is the easiest skill out of these 'op skills' we mentioned to be interrupted.
God, tanks usually don't whine at all, and you complain about frost, about zerkers, about inqs.. Seriously? And it's speaking a FULL EQUIPPED TANK x) Seriously dude, change the char you play. Tank has immortality and? Isn't it OP? I know you'll say tank has low dmg, so no need to repeat this.
As I said, vortex can be interrupted by every single class but frost who on the other hand may freeze it. You don't play alone in your team. I don't think I ever saw a zerker who killed all enemies with vortex when they were not frozen or knocked down

Yes, 2, 3 out of 10 is even VERY weak. And I have not much lower bv than you, dude, it's just that I have only heavy eq without any runes/amus ^^ And as I said a few times already, i had at least 2 games with you. And the rest of that sentence - look up.

Haha, okay dude, you just won a cookie. Or whatever your dog wishes. 'tank getting CP most important and doesn't need an occasion mate' - that's why you are a weak tank.

" lol what are u 10 years old ???" im eight. As I said, if your frost does so, the enemy one can do so as well so both can be useless at a moment. You keep saying, assuming, that every ally player is puppies, and every enemy is a pro or whatever like this. 'Oh i cant block enemy insta cuz the frost is so good oh SHE COMES FROM OUR BACK! LOOK WHAT A PRO!' and 'Oh my frost goes away from mid to freeze someone on side an when we're back we once get frozen in mid and dead ((( ' .

Who is complaining? I dont see any compliants. Seriosly, I reach my memory back and I haven't seen ANY compliants last few months. I know the problem does exist, for SOME, but i dont see any compliants. Active on forum and chat.

haha. Yeah. 'Unless, I will blow up a bomb in Moscow!'

Now look, analogously. I have a ping of XXX (let's say 20). still I have NO lags on weekends and whenever. Why? Seems like it has nothing to do with the no. of players online.
Your ping is your lag. Do you know what ping is? The delay in receiving a sent information. Do you know what lag is? The 'magnificent' delay in receiving a sent information.

Yeah so? Did I mention a word about p2w model in this conversation? What are you answering to?

I like to argue with people who have no clue what they talk about.
Living a dream? Like in last quote-respond, I think someone mislead you about what we talk about here.




PS! I just looked on my last post and something came into my mind... Maybe you don't know, that tank is a support class??? - Im regarding to your words (a bit paraphrased just to emphasize your way of thinking:) ) 'yeah sure zerker would finish the knocked down people after my ram? or frost would freeze them? noooooo' .

whining ??? dude?? seriously how old are you ?

who whined about any thing ? did you read the first topic ? what has me to do with this whole thing as a tank or as me?
seems like i kicked ur butt in some game , i don't know , sorry about that but the topic is not about me .

my topic is about things every one complaining about , inqs are OP classes since the day this game came out and mostly kids play that class . i am guessing u never played with the big guys thats why u have so little info , there r some gunners that do damage more than inqs and do u think being a tank with 35 k hp helps when an inq hits you from behind taking 25 k ??? not only me , any tank cant take such one hit with out acting .

No one again no one can stop instant unless hes lucky or had the time to do so , doesn't matter how good you are its not the tank its the skill u mindless child , vertex is an OP but if u r so low u cant break teslas , does not mean that vortex is not OP it means u r down mate , am talking about the big players in this game , not ur lvl crap , when you get there you will see what inqs are and what vortex can do and how instant changes the whole game .

i sow 1 inq kill my whole team and stay alive , what the hell are talking about? , and yes am talking about reality in games not some kid imaginations were its not a perfect team and again just like my topic says , it does not say wolfsss the tank it talks about OP classes and skills .

immortality ??? what the hell is that , INVULNERABILITY you mean lol ( you tanks skills master ) , OP ? lmao , how could a defensive skill be OP ??? do u even understand what tank is about ? yes we r a support class when this game started , but now tank supports and plays roles of inqs and zerks some times but with these OP skills and classes it impossible just to be the tank you imagine , yes used to be that you hold the magic shield and do nothing more , but such skills were not OP , yes the inq was OP but his skills were not he even didn't have flames .

there is no ice mage than can freez a vortex unless she was already freezing and he had to go for here , so thats lame mate . he will kill the crap out of here , the best way is to shield strike him and as i said before many thing play a role to do so .
yes , ice mage is an essential class and if she leaves the team running after the other team and gets killed ur dead meat most the time , thats why it,s the most wanted classes in tournaments and they use 2 and 3 ice mags some times , again thats the reality of the game not some wiki kid imagination .

now as for the technical stuff , wiki mate ? really u use wiki ) , sorry mate but thats down and low , am done talking about it , seems like u r the only one who has no problems , cheers for you .

at last , yes mate they pay so much to this game since it started , so many players left before u even know that this game existed cuz of the paying and for that at least they need to provide a good gaming conditions not lags and DC,s and bugs and i really dont mind DC.s that much but cuz it takes 3 points out of win count each time .

anyway seems like i did something to u , sorry about that , its a game kido , see u on point .
cheers

No, I remember you playing in MY team and sucking so hard.
Your 'notices' about 'op' insta and sacred flame became 'whining' when you started arguing so much that they cannot ('actually') be blocked, where you were, and are, obviously wrong.

I do play with such 'big' guys like you, with this whole bunch of noobs who have 3k bv with epic gear, runes and amulets.
Just like i said, you have to block every PA coming to you. You should start studying what we tell you, I think.

There is a Polish saying... I'm sorry for the vulgar maybe character, but it's just a saying. 'You were in an ass(hole), you have seen puppies'. When I see a blocked insta i am not surprised, as it happens not rarely. Usually tho it happens when i join some game of 3400+, on lower bv there are tanks-doners not tanks-skillers. Just like you Wolfs keep practising, keep arguing that 'you know better', expect different results than you get now. ^^

Yeah even my inq when it's a nice occasion - meaning same level as him - can kill whole team, that's true. I never said inq is not op.
Kid imaginations. Who is acting like kid? What do you think, that im lying about all those tanks who i keep seeing blocking instas? What would be the purpose for such a lie? Accept that you yet need to learn a lot. // Yes, i know what this topic's about, and I asked you if you do, as you started talking of the p2w model (just as if we were talking about football and you suddenly said that Michael Phelps is a good swimmer). You say insta and sacred flame is op and i say that they are not if there is a good tank on the other side.

Immortality or invulnerability - who cares how i named it if everyone knows what the skill i mention? You tell me I'm a kid? Why don't you start noticing where I forgot to put an apostrophe or a coma? ...
Inquisitor had sacred flame yet when EU was leveling up max to 20 level you smartguy...
*** So keep arguing. Keep playing like you play. Keep fighting instead of PROTECTING ALLIES FROM DAMAGE. *** You won't ever notice the fact that the two skills I mentioned above are not OP.

There are lots of ice mages who freeze a vortex, especially on public games where the games are imbalanced. I would point all the ways to stop zerker's vortex, but it's a loss of time, you won't get anything out of it if you won't start noticing in game 'what and how to do'.

'wiki kid' give me more teenager.

no, I just know the very basics which is 'what is ping' and 'what is a lag'. You don't know, so I told you. Ignorant.

You did not do anything to me but kind of cheered me up as well us depressed me of how silly, stubborn and finally stupid (sorry, you made me type so many sentences and you still didn't get any out of it, so I'll end with the advice in ***-s) can a human be.

Cya

Still you bring me into the argument , personally , Who are you to decide am i good or not ? do u think u r good enough to allow ur self to speak about me?
i played this game for 3 years and you think u know better? you think i really give a damn what YOU think ? who are you anyway ?

I CANT EVEN REMEMBER YOU , u v been good i would v noticed you . you don,t exist in my world , all u do i bla bla bla on forum every where .

my topic in general was about OP skills and classes and those skill are OP not because i say so but because every body thinks so , in a middle of fight where every body is running and i as a tank ( you wanted personally ) have to keep an eye on every player i cant be that fast to stop a skill that needs 1 second to be casted , you mad or something and yes i think you lie for the sake of the argue , though i never said it cant be stopped , yes it can be stopped but still i said by chance or if u already have ur shield up and more its not an OP cuz it cant be stopped , OP skills are not called OP cuz they cant be stopped mate but because they have the strength to change the whole game influence suddenly , like freezing a whole team or killing most of them , that what OVER POWERED skills means.

you have been arguing about the tank since ur first reply and u don't even know what is the name of his skills , it,s not ignorant that u don't know , more of stupid and to even say "who cares" what is it called , how could u argue about a class u don't know the name of it,s skills , u should v tried wiki and am sure u never played a tank on high lvls and u r arguing about it , now that is ignorance .

and when i said inq didn't had that skill there were no reason to say why he didn't have it , that was not the point , my point was that he,s OP even with out those skills .
you are so conceited you think you are better than every one and every body should Listen to you , who the hell are you so every one should listen to you ? why should you be right and every body wrong ? and why would anyone listen to you ? who cares about you anyway ? PS: see a Psychiatrist mate you really need help and am not saying that to lower you down i am just trying to help .

the tank should block these skills but behind the tank there is a human who doesn't have reflection of a freaking robot and instant is a very fast skill to cast and have a high influence in game , it can change the whole game up side down , its can be the deference between wining and loosing and does not matter how good u r you don't have eyes in the back of ur head unless you do to see it coming . thats why i think its OP and players annoyed by it , same goes to vortex , that almost always changes the influence in game . as for inq he is an OP class and should be nerfed or at least fix the balance in game which is made that way to force players to pay for the game , am just amazed how blind you are .

so many good players (my friends) left the game cuz of the P2W system , when a noob kid your age makes a full geared OP inq and kills every body else in game laughing at every one of them , not because they r bad but because the game allowed such a thing to happen and u r defending .

i had a point of view that there are OP skills and classes regardless THE TANK and i really wanted normal people with no snooty attitude to argue in civilized mature way . so if you gonna be a mature normal guy trying to argue about the topic it self with out getting personal you are most welcomed , if not you go and write ur own topic and stop answering here plz .

just take Headquarters for an example , now thats a man i would gladly have a discussion with , he knows whats hes saying , does not go personal and does not defend just for the sake of it , all respect to him , hope u can learn something from that mans way of arguing.

ohh and so sorry for my bad English in spilling , seems like you even want to argue about that lol . get some professional help mate , you need it

tc

I am even sure about that.
You seriously play this game for 3 years or you just say so? I play this game for 2 years so allegedly(?) less and it's still you who whine about insta or vortex being op. Idk what you've been doing for these 3 years...

And who are you even? ))))))))) Does anyone know this guy? )))

No, not everybody thinks so, just you and some buch of newbies who never used it, maybe. Everybody will tell you that insta and vortex of war ARE NOT OP, as insta costs a lot of cp and vortex is so, so, so easy to be interrupted. Yet as for instant freeze - I would even say that more op is the skill with the blue cross over your head - insta freeze once someone having the cross dies, and it's so cheap of cp. I am really sorry to not remember the name of the skill, I don't use english version for more than a year - and you'd probably correct me in the most kid-kind way.
That's the last time I repeat that you have to have an eye on enemy frost and you mustn't drop your shield unless essential/vital, and that's the way you can stop the enemy insta. I won't repeat it anymore as you keep arguing with it although you say insta cannot be stopped (where i've just got you the solution, for the 13135th time).
If you call an OP skill the skill that 'have the strength to change the whole game influence suddenly'... Why don't you say then that just the normal freeze is an OP skill? Enough that 2 orcs will get frozen and killed, it becomes 2vs4 (e.g.) + probably stacks on the 'better' side, and the point is captured. An OP skill is something you cannot stop, cannot make useless at a time. Like the plague, even if you hold your shield right in front of your allies, they (and then you) will get sick even if blocked the plague. + The dead sick bodies..

Oh, seems like i've just predicted again that there will be a kid-kind correction/comment Tank was the first, after gunner i think, character which i made full eq. Old times though, you probably don't even remember (3 years. sure. ignorant), the times when you could have only max 20 level. Again, I forgot the english name of the skill, you schoolboy.

- That's exact words you had said. Now this is a serious question. Can you tell me anything of the times when EU were max 20 levels? When EU were separated from RU in game? Please tell me. Just a control questions.
And no, I know that tehre are a lot of players better than me. I just know, as well, that you are a noob, or just a newbie telling some stories.


Go to school. They use(d) to teach here that in England kids go there even on Saturdays. Why not in your country? You need more school.
Look, you tell me insta's op as it cannot be stopped (THATS WHAT EVEN YOU SAID!!!!, you said you only blocked it ONE TIME and it was LUCKY). So I tell you it's not and why - because it CAN be stopped - and I gave you solution how-to. And you started arguing 'No it cannot! you are a kid! you are a psycho! I wanna fight not only hold my shield!'. Who needs a psychiatrist here? Neither of us, you just need some humility? lesson. Or just more attention from your parents.

Check some of my posts released last year i think, related to p2w. Then just shut the f..k up because you are an idiot. That's just it. I've always been saying this game is p2w. I've never paid a cent for this game and so far am not going to. Inquisitor was the very last character I created, on both my accounts. Never leveled it up over 20. It's you, kid, who pays for a full geared OP tank, the problem is that you still cannot do a puppies with it. Full eq 30 level with 3000 bv. That's just puppies. I only see in the battles how pathetic the levels of skill of these players are.
'but because the game allowed such a thing to happen and u r defending'. Wasn't it you who a few posts above demanded on Panzar to hire some gamemasters 'because you pay a lot and demand it to happen' ? A hypocrite or just a stubborn idiot who just cannot say the other one's right? It's YOU who support the p2w model, by paying.

I am such a person by the time that someone who in some way asks for advice or just doesn't know something, is given the advice by me and starts arguing it's impossible because he cannot do it. When you stated your point in your first post I answered kindly, you started arguing. Hypocrisy.


Hypocrisy. Again. Check the word in dictionary. Urgent.

Again for ur empty head , if you not gonna mature up and stop personalizing this topic , stop writing here , grow up mate , write ur own topic , i tried my best to be kind with you but how can i be with a mindless kid , if u want to talk about the topic it self again u r welcomed , any thing else do ur own topic , i didn't even read ur answer cuz i know how childish its gonna be , this topic is for mature people who have an idea how to debate and have desiccations , i think in panzar they have a section for teenagers , even kinder garden , you go write there mate .

grow up "dude"

I guess that's the way you say someone's right. Okay.

Sarcasm is the most offensive way, among insults, of 'private/personalised arguing'. Maybe you didn't know. Here is the first sentence where one of us went into private being serious. Guess who.
the same post.

Who personalized it?


grow up "dude"